Daryl Cagle: Hi, I'm Daryl Cagle and this is the Caglecast where
we're all about political cartoons.
And we have, three fantastic artists to join us today.
Milt Priggee, Ed Wexler and Hajo de Reijger.
Gentlemen, thank you for being here.
Hajo de Reijger: Thank you.
Thank you.
Nice to be Here..
Daryl Cagle: So gentlemen, we have a show in Saint Just le Martel, the big
editorial cartoonist convention this year.
And I invited all you guys here cause you are Saint Just veterans.
And, we can talk about our exhibition, which we will be showing you today about
the, uh, American presidential election.
, Ed, we'll start with you here.
You've got Kamala spanking Trump.
That's how the debate went.
Ed Wexler: She spanked him.
Yeah.
And then he, uh, he says, I won the debate, I was the winner.
Milt Priggee: Love it.
Hajo de Reijger: Oh, crazy.
Daryl Cagle: So Ed, you are an Emmy nominated creative director at Disney
Television Animation for 30 years.
30 years and you're also a regular cartoonist and illustrator for U.
S.
News and World Report, and you've drawn covers for the Hollywood Reporter's
Emmy and Academy Awards issues.
And we did a recent podcast showing your illustration work.
And, nice to have you back.
Thank you.
here's Trump and he's sitting there and he says, I'm not afraid to debate Kamala.
And he sits up and you can see that he just laid an egg
because he's a big chicken.
Ed Wexler: I played with wanting to show him as a chicken, but I think every other
cartoonist around the world did that.
Daryl Cagle: I think he's just kind of, being wise, because
it's not in his best interest.
Ed Wexler: He understands he's outclassed.
Daryl Cagle: Yeah.
Running from Kamala's shoe.
Hajo de Reijger: I love his hair.
Looked like a little croissant on his head.
Daryl Cagle: That's great for Saint
And here you have J.
D.
Vance, tell us about this couch thing.
Ed Wexler: Well, you see, he's sexually attracted to couches.
so, uh,
Daryl Cagle: if it's a particularly nice looking love seat.
Ed Wexler: Well, that's kind of a nice couch.
It's got nice sensuous shapes and, yeah, so it's, uh, instead of Playboy, it's
Daryl Cagle: you know, there's been a lot of talk about him wearing
eyeliner and a lot of the cartoonists are drawing him with, mascara.
Ed Wexler: Is that, do you think that's true?
Cause I'm not sure it's just, he just has a lot of dark eyelashes.
Do you think it's makeup?
Daryl Cagle: I'm not sure.
I thought it was.
What do you guys think?
Hajo de Reijger: Could be.
I don't know.
No idea.
What's the story with the couch, though?
I kind of, I think I missed it.
Daryl Cagle: Well, he kind of has sex with couches.
Hajo de Reijger: What?
Daryl Cagle: This is a rumor.
It's as untrue as the eating cats and dogs, but, uh, but we enjoy it.
I mean, we've all been drawing cats and dogs, sometimes the rumors are just fun.
Ed Wexler: Yeah.
That's a fun one.
Hajo de Reijger: it's a crazy, crazy rumor, right?
Having, I mean,
Daryl Cagle: If you have a particularly attractive couch, I don't know.
So here you have, the milk carton.
Melania's missing.
She hasn't been coming to, Trump events.
Talk about this one, Ed.
Milt Priggee: It's a great caricature of Melania.
I love it.
Daryl Cagle: It is.
Ed Wexler: Thank you.
I was working with the height of the milk carton there.
And it sort of went together.
You know, so I took that as a cue.
Daryl Cagle: You know, I don't mind that she doesn't show up.
She's not really under any obligation to show up.
it's not one of the things I've been jumping on.
Let her not come.
Milt Priggee: But it's worth mentioning.
Ed Wexler: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: I guess so.
Ed Wexler: At the time, the week I did this, there were a number of people
asking where's, where's Melania been, so.
Daryl Cagle: Yeah, I've heard a lot of that.
Ed Wexler: She doesn't, she doesn't help him by, you know, she never
has anything interesting to say.
Hajo de Reijger: And it's not the best, the best marriage they have also.
So maybe they're, they're in a fight.
Ed Wexler: I wonder how Melania feels about, um, what's
this new one's name, Loomer?
Milt Priggee: Oh, Laura Loomer.
Ed Wexler: Yeah.
they're spending a lot of time together.
Daryl Cagle: She's a pretty crazy one.
Ed Wexler: She's, she's nutty.
Daryl Cagle: Here.
You've got a Trump campaigned in free fall The hair is great on this one.
Ed Wexler: You know, cause he's got such a complex hairdo.
You know, and it's got to be long in some areas and even longer in other
areas to, to swoop around the way,
Daryl Cagle: you know, he got a haircut for the debate and looked a lot better.
Ed Wexler: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Did you notice that?
Ed Wexler: Did he, did he still have the orange makeup?
I think so.
Daryl Cagle: Yeah.
Ed Wexler: I want, what is, doesn't anybody talk to him?
Milt Priggee: The only people that talk to him are people that
feed him what he wants to hear.
He's, he's in a bubble.
He's in a bubble that's, that's floating around and, and he doesn't realize
how bad it is because he has people feeding him misinformation because
they want to stay on the good side.
Daryl Cagle: I'm going to speak in Trump's behalf, I think he
probably looks worse without it.
he's probably very, very pale pink pallor washed out and, much more
elderly looking without the orange.
And, he probably has to have it that heavy in order to cover that up.
Hajo de Reijger: Could be any other color, then.
Ed Wexler: Yeah, why not something a little more natural?
Daryl Cagle: Whatever it is, he needs a pretty thick foundation, I think.
So here you got Trump dancing with Victor Orban.
Ed Wexler: He keeps referring to Orban.
He mentioned Orban's name.
I think it was just yesterday again.
Daryl Cagle: Trump has a lot in common with the right wing in Europe.
They've got kind of a long list of, Issues, led by stop all the immigrants
that matches and they have kind of the same authoritarian tendencies.
there's a commonality to them.
It's like Trump isn't an oddball.
He's part of a
Ed Wexler: he wants to be one of those guys.
Daryl Cagle: Well, Hajo, you've got a lot of that going on in the
Netherlands with the crazy right wing.
Hajo de Reijger: But it's worldwide, right?
It's, you got it in, uh, in every part of the world.
It's, these big men with lots of self confidence who are very right wing and
have crazy hair and it's everywhere.
It's, uh.
Weird phenomenon.
so we have Wilders, it's the right wing.
Ed Wexler: Is Orban, does Orban, uh, is he mass.
Deportation.
Mm.
Does Orban do any of that?
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Orban is very anti, anti-immigrant.
Daryl Cagle: Another thing they do is kiss up to the dictators.
Yeah.
All of them seem to want to kiss up to the dictators.
They seem to have this, , this thing in their nature that those are their guys.
Hajo de Reijger: They like strong men.
Well, strong men, strong weird men.
Daryl Cagle: So Milt, we're going to move to you.
Here.
You've got Trump holding up the newspaper.
Trump defeats Trump.
Just, uh, tell us about this.
Milt Priggee: Yeah.
I thought, I thought he was going to lose.
So, I got that famous, uh, photo there of, uh, Who was, that was Truman
holding up the Chicago Daily Tribune.
and so I, I had thought for sure Hillary was going to win and, um, She didn't and
Daryl Cagle: I picked this because it's kind of evergreen you have
retired which still makes me cry Um, I know you're always welcome to come
Milt Priggee: back.
It was a forced retirement I gave it 44 years looking for a paper that
would uh, support me and I found out that I was searching for a unicorn
something that just didn't exist.
So
Daryl Cagle: yeah, that doesn't doesn't work anymore Milt, you've been drawing
cartoons since 1978 For decades in the Spokesman Review in Spokane, Washington,
and you have won a ton of awards
Milt Priggee: just all over the place Yes been been very lucky in that aspect.
So i've been uh, been having lots of fun, especially with
CagleCartoons.Com You know you guys uh printed just about everything like
Daryl Cagle: I didn't ever kill a cartoon from you.
Milt Priggee: Sure you did.
Oh, misspellings.
No.
Daryl Cagle: I did kill cartoons.
Milt Priggee: Just one.
You just one.
You did one Obama won the second one, his second election.
Yeah.
I drew a cartoon, uh, just showing a scorecard and at the top it said, uh,
Daryl Cagle: yeah, I, I killed
the n word.
Milt Priggee: But that's okay.
I, uh, on the, uh, social media, I saw the n word used with
Obama immensely, immensely,
and so it's out there.
It's out there in social media.
And so, that's, that was the, to me, that was the obvious cartoon.
So I understand.
I understand that, you know, editors are not going to go for it.
And so I just, uh, I let the chip, I just do.
John Fischetti was my mentor.
He told me you can't please everybody every day with every cartoon, so don't
even try, just draw what makes you happy and let the chips fall where they may.
you know, when you, when you, you know, killed that one, I, I understood.
So, and we move on.
Daryl Cagle: You know, there are things I kill.
I killed quite a few.
cartoons during COVID where the conservative cartoonists were
promoting, um Ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine and singing the
praises of how effective they are.
you know, there are, things that I kill.
I kill anti-Semitic cartoons.
Those come in from world cartoonists.
Milt Priggee: understandable.
Hajo de Reijger: It must be difficult to decide.
Which cartoon is okay and which is,
Daryl Cagle: I figured, uh, you know, generally, you know, Well,
everybody we have we can trust, except for one cartoon with Milt.
Milt Priggee: Yes, well, I drew, cartoons for Cagle Cartoons for 20 years.
And there was one, just only one, that was rejected.
So, you know, understandable, uh, you know.
You gotta do what you gotta do and, uh, support whatever you decide, Daryl, so.
Daryl Cagle: Oh, well, you're a gentleman, Milt.
So, here you've got Trump in the mask as Jim Carrey.
Milt Priggee: Yeah, I just, I love, uh, I love movies and I love movie
references and, you know, when I'm watching and listening to the news.
A lot of these references just pop in my mind and I see them as the
obvious cartoon and I just want to draw them as fast as I can, get
them out there before anybody else.
So nobody accuses me of copying them.
Daryl Cagle: Cartoonists do accuse each other of things.
Okay, here you got, Trump like Superman.
And you know, some of these right wing guys have been drawing him
like Superman in superheroes.
And,
Hajo de Reijger: I saw that, yeah,
Daryl Cagle: and his reality, he is really looking quite elderly now.
Milt Priggee: Oh yeah, he is.
He's, he's the old guy now.
Now that Biden's out, this is just a quick comparison cartoon.
Um, I, I do this quite often, just to, uh, point out the, the obvious, uh,
cause then you can also compare them and that makes a point right there.
Daryl Cagle: Hajo, we move on to you.
Here's your nice Trump circus.
This is
Hajo de Reijger: very nice.
It's a, an old one already.
I think, yeah, it was.
Daryl Cagle: Oh, it's an evergreen.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah, probably.
I'm not sure from when it was, but, um, Well, it was, it was really a circus
when he first came to, uh, to office.
Daryl Cagle: His tie is wonderful.
Hajo de Reijger: It's always a good thing, right?
The tie of, Trump.
He's got so many things.
He's got this crazy hair.
And it's, and it lies,
Ed Wexler: and it's color coded.
Right, Hajo?
He's color coded.
He's got the yellow hair.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Ed Wexler: Blue suit, white shirt, red tie.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Milt Priggee: Hajo, that's a beautiful cartoon.
Thank you very much.
And overgreen.
That's Evergreen,
that'll be, that'll be good till, you know, the day he dies.
It's always, it's a three ring circus and he's the center
attraction on each circus ring.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
It's all about him.
Right.
Daryl Cagle: Yep.
Yeah.
Well, you drew the Twitter bird and that, that was, that's dead now.
Hajo de Reijger: That is.
Yeah.
Milt Priggee: Okay.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Almost an evergreen.
Here's one that's not too old.
You've got Trump and Biden golfing.
That's very nice.
Hajo de Reijger: They both got their challenges, right?
Daryl Cagle: They do.
I'd like to know what is wrong with Biden.
my wife keeps saying that he's got Parkinson's.
Hajo de Reijger: Could be.
Yeah.
It looks like.
Milt Priggee: Yeah.
Yeah, he's moving so stiffly.
I mean, even turning his head.
I mean, he's, it just befuddles me that, you know, they just should just
come right out and say it instead of just, denying it and stuff.
Daryl Cagle: I noticed when he comes down the stairs from the airplane, he looks
like he's very concerned about falling.
Hajo de Reijger: He's very fragile.
Yeah.
Ed Wexler: He's very
brittle.
Yeah.
Milt Priggee: He's 80, but he looks, he's acting 90.
Ed Wexler: The, the accelerated aging, when he came out to debate Trump, I
couldn't believe, you know, that was when I first realized it was a big problem.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah Yeah.
Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Well, that was the revelation for, for the whole country,
you know, well, not for the whole country, for the ones that weren't
on Fox hearing that every day.
Hajo de Reijger: It's just the right moment, though, don't you
think, to, to take, to choose Kamala for, the presidency?
Milt Priggee: I gotta say that this is a great cartoon.
Hajo de Reijger: Well, thank you.
Milt Priggee: Number one, number one, no balloons and no labels anywhere.
Just visual images tell the story, you know, from A to Z.
And here's the other thing.
It's just, it's a comparison cartoon between the two.
You're also making a point with the American, the United States
flag, you know, uh, you know, tied up there also, you know,
it's, it's, you show it's broken.
You see, it's, you show them they're trying to, you know, somebody's tied it
together, you know, so there's, this is, this is probably the best, Comparison
cartoon I've ever seen because you get you're making a point about the country
And the two leaders all at the same time
Hajo de Reijger: A lot's
happening there.
Yes, true
Daryl Cagle: We all love you.
Hajo.
Hajo de Reijger: Oh, yeah
Milt Priggee: I
I love you.
Hajo.
Oh, and I especially love this cartoon.
This is this it doesn't get any better than this
Daryl Cagle: so Hajo, this is a wonderful cartoon.
I should say that, um, we did a podcast before this that was
our most popular ever podcast.
We got over 300, 000 views.
thousand people to look at this podcast.
And, uh, I think that's all because of this wonderful Adams family, which was
just, uh, it's just, it's just wonderful.
And, um, I hate it that Pence has gone now because now this isn't an
evergreen and we don't have a good Lurch.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
True.
Yeah.
Yeah, that's that's the shame.
Yeah
Milt Priggee: I guess hyo hits it
out of the park.
Look at that.
No labels.
No balloons.
Nothing to us.
Daryl Cagle: It's
hilarious
Ed Wexler: And that's the
best Eric
Trump
Milt Priggee: It's funny, and it's animated, it makes a point, and everybody
fits there, except for the Pence, but still, it's a, it's a great cartoon.
Daryl Cagle: Although it was a good Pence at the time, and, and it's
just that Pence is gone, and the rest of the family is still there.
But each one of them fits, each of those characters, which is
what makes it all extra funny.
Milt Priggee: Yeah, oh yeah, it's beautiful.
Hajo de Reijger: Thanks.
The funny thing is that I put it online, of course, and it's
also just a still one, a cartoon.
And that one is doing actually much better than the animated one, even on Twitter
So we were also talking about animated cartoons and if they have a future, but
I don't really see it happening because I put those two Online and, uh, and the
one that is, uh, it's a still one gets shared more than, this animated one.
Milt Priggee: Newspapers have a business model now is, is of liquidation.
They are no longer competing.
They're no longer investing to stay ahead of the curve.
They are now, they realize that they're in a losing game.
So now they don't want to create and compete.
What they want to do is save what they believe they have.
The reason Newspapers are going out of businesses.
They believe they have no competition.
But problem is they have more competition now.
And this has been going on ever since the telegraph came in, which then
came the radio and then came the TV.
And now we have the internet.
And and everybody is electronically getting their news from all these
electronic digital sources and and they're not picking up the newspaper.
And and so so that's it.
They had an opportunity.
Daryl Cagle: Okay, so here we have Adam Zyglis and, both Taylor Swift and Dick
Cheney have endorsed Kamala Harris.
And that's the tortured poets department for Harris and the
torture department for Harris.
And I think that's pretty funny.
Hajo de Reijger: Yes.
Ed Wexler: Absolutely.
Adam's great.
Hajo de Reijger: Clever, eh?
Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Hajo.
Here is your, Holland compatriot, Jos Collignon, go in peace.
Your sins are forgiven.
2024 Candidate Trump talks to President Trump 2025.
This is a pessimistic cartoon.
I guess he's pardoning himself.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: There's been a lot of talk about him pardoning
himself.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah, well, the only one he has to deal
with is himself the whole time.
And he thinks he's the most important person in the world, so.
Who else can, can give him, forgive, forgive him, so, yeah.
, Daryl Cagle: Jos is another story that makes me cry, because he was laid off
from his job, and he's retired now, too.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
No, he's, uh, he's all right with it.
I talked to him and he said it didn't happen in a nice manner, the
layoff, but, he's happy with it.
And he's got a house in France and he's, uh, he's retiring.
Ed Wexler: That farm looks like a wonderful place.
It probably is.
Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: He lives well and artfully.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: So here's RJ Mattson and he's drawing Trump getting his alert
about, they're eating dogs and they're eating cats, which is funny that that
would come up as an alert on his phone.
Milt Priggee: That's a great cartoon.
Daryl Cagle: Here's Adam Zyglis with the Cowardly Lion candidate.
I think that's fun.
Trump's position on debating Kamala, that's after the debate cartoon, now
he's, now he's hiding from the audience.
Ed Wexler: Love it.
A funny drawing.
Daryl Cagle: Dave Whamond, she's trying to get another debate
and he's saying no, no, no.
I, I think that's pretty illustrative of the news.
Ed Wexler: Yeah.
Milt Priggee: Wow.
Hajo de Reijger: love
it.
Wow.
Daryl Cagle: Trump debating Kamala and he says, and then you have to turn black.
And she says, and then you have to turn orange, which is, uh, true.
Here is a combo, Titanic and Hindenburg cartoon.
And I love Titanic and Hindenburg cartoons.
Milt Priggee: Yes, everybody's done the Hindenburg.
Yes, everybody's done the Titanic, but this is the very first time I've seen
them both together in one cartoon.
And that's what makes it better.
I mean,
Daryl Cagle: it is nice.
And it's look at all the rats jumping off.
Milt Priggee: You guys, Ed, Hajo, have you ever seen these two,
Hajo de Reijger: uh, A combination of the two?
Ed Wexler: No.
It's cool putting the two disasters together.
It's always great when you combine two things.
Hajo de Reijger: It's too bad, I cannot do it anymore now.
It's been done.
Daryl Cagle: Comrade
Ed Wexler: It's so imitating when Trump does that when he calls her that.
Putin's buddy, you know.
Yeah.
Milt Priggee: Yeah, that's when they know that they're losing.
When they pull out the communist card, they start throwing that around.
they've lost it, and they're going back to their old, tropes and using that because
they don't have anything else to use.
So they do that.
Hajo de Reijger: yeah, you would think it gets old, right?
But it obviously doesn't.
It's, uh, they still use it.
Milt Priggee: It works for the old people.
Daryl Cagle: So this one comes from Angel Boligan in Mexico, draws for the
El Universal newspaper in Mexico city.
And this was a, assassination cartoon, Trump contemplating his ear.
And, I like this, but I didn't quite get it.
What do you, what are your comments on this?
Ed Wexler: Not getting it either.
Is that blood dripping from the ears of the letter A?
No, it's dripping from the ear.
The
Daryl Cagle: letter A.
Ed Wexler: You see that in the upper left corner?
Daryl Cagle: Oh, I see.
Why is there a letter A there?
Oh, I think that's, that's the bullet hole that's dripping blood.
At the very top.
You see a little dot.
Yeah.
Hajo de Reijger: I think he's, he's showing his,
Daryl Cagle: he he's got, he's got a tiny little, little, injury on the ear,
but then further, he's cut off his ear to show you the tiny little injury.
Ed Wexler: I like the drawing.
Milt Priggee: Hey, here it is.
Here I am.
Try again.
Ed Wexler: I guess technically you can say I took a bullet to the head,
but he didn't even get a scratch.
Hajo de Reijger: How is his ear now?
Is it perfect?
This is perfect.
Yeah.
Milt Priggee: I'd like, there should be an investigation.
Where's the scar?
Yeah.
Isn't there a scar?
Daryl Cagle: You guys are so unsympathetic here.
I mean, you would expect that that would be a contemplative moment.
He's contemplating his, being vulnerable and his humanity and
everyone was thinking that he might come out softer after that because
he's had this contemplative moment.
and he didn't, and that was disappointing.
I think that's more the point of it.
I, would, have some fatalistic concerns and worries.
If I had a close brush with being shot, whether it happened to hit me or not.
and it's a bad for the country thing.
So, uh, we should have some sympathy here.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah, but I think that's what also what this cartoon is about.
He's, he's, he wrote a cut of his ear to show us what had happened to him, right?
Ed Wexler: He cut off his whole ear to show the little
Hajo de Reijger: To show us, how bad he is injured.
Ed Wexler: That's actually a very good caricature of him.
It's a good one.
Daryl Cagle: Well, this one got us talking.
Here is, Kamala.
The Democrats are raising her like, the flag on Iwo Jima.
Ed Wexler: I like that idea.
It's another thing that we all draw.
We could do that with the Titanic and the Hindenburg.
Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: This one I thought was kind of funny this is Christo Komarnitsky in
Bulgaria right after the assassination attempt and let's fix this and put
another Hitler bandage on his nose.
I think that's funny.
It's funny.
Yes Yeah
Milt Priggee: Yeah, and it's, and it's poignant and it may, and it has a great
message and the second bandaid under the nose is trying to cover up the
Hitler mustache, but yet it says Hitler and even the mustache now is white.
So, you know, it has so many you, you presume
Daryl Cagle: that he had the Hitler mustache underneath that bandage.
That's going to get it covered up.
He's
Milt Priggee: right.
Because JD saying here, let's fix this.
Daryl Cagle: So try it.
This is cute.
This is one of the things that gets the people of the right most angry.
Uh, when you complain about them, threatening democracy, they come
back with your calling Trump Hitler.
And that's worse.
Ed Wexler: I don't know.
It's more and more appropriate.
Where do I put my baggage with Kamala's far left record baggage?
So, another thing they talk about all the time is Kamala flip flopping.
Wait a minute, go
Milt Priggee: back.
What baggage does Walz have?
Daryl Cagle: No, this is Kamala's baggage bag.
Oh, Waltz doesn't have any place for his baggage because of all her baggage.
Milt Priggee: But what wall, what baggage is Waltz have?
He was a high school teacher and, and got into politics late.
Daryl Cagle: I
mean, you know, the list of things they say about him.
Ed Wexler: It's his military record is the only thing they say, isn't it?
when they complain about him, him, calling himself a command master sergeant
instead of just a master sergeant because he retired as a master sergeant
and not a command master sergeant, and they complain about the way he
handled the riots in Minneapolis, and Oh, what else do they complain about?
Oh, they complain about, uh, we had a Big Rivers cartoon where
he's giving tampons to everybody.
he put tampons in, more than girls bathrooms for free
for high school students.
Uh, they're saying that he put them in the boys bathrooms, but I think what
happened is they had unisex bathrooms.
And so he put them in the unisex bathrooms as well.
So boys can go in there and have tampons in the bathroom.
And, uh, What else?
He gave free lunches to all the kids in school.
And, that's, uh, you know,
Milt Priggee: that's baggage?
Daryl Cagle: Communists would do that.
what else, what other baggage they got?
Anyway, it's stuff that we wouldn't see as baggage.
Milt Priggee: Right.
A little
Daryl Cagle: here's, uh, Frank Hansen.
he's got Vance saying, in case you're curious, sir, I 100 percent
behind you dropping out too.
That's cute.
I like the way Frank Hansen draws.
He's fun.
He's got a very different look than the other cartoonists.
Ed Wexler: Distinctive.
Daryl Cagle: Here's Guy Parsons from Canada.
I thought, this was cute.
His trophy's on the wall.
He's just thinking about putting Uncle Sam on the wall.
he's got a concept for that.
Concept?
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Like the little telephone, yeah.
Yeah,
Milt Priggee: great composition, how he's got it going right across there.
That could have turned out not as good.
Daryl Cagle: Here's another assassination cartoon.
I thought this was very nice, Michael de Adder.
Milt Priggee: Ooh, yeah,
Hajo de Reijger: yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Liberty got it.
yeah.
And another assassination cartoon, Kinder, Gentle, or Trump.
I thought this was very funny because of course he's got the angel
and the devil on his shoulders.
And it's the angel that would get shot by the bullet to the ear, not the devil.
It's the devil that we're left with.
And, he came out of, uh, out of that, everyone expecting him to be softer
and gentler, and he was just as bad.
I like this cartoon.
Ed Wexler: Yeah, I do too.
Milt Priggee: Is
that, is that the Russian flag on Trump there?
Hajo de Reijger: Oh, yes.
Daryl Cagle: Yeah.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
But actually, uh, Putin is now, uh, Okaying, uh, Kamala, right?
Daryl Cagle: Oh, no, he really, he's, he's giving money to these
far right, podcasters that are all about Trump this was by Nem0, very
conservative cartoonist from Canada.
this Trump in the matrix, he does dodge the bullets.
Doesn't he?
Yeah, he does have a little bit of blood on his ear.
See it hitting his ear.
Milt Priggee: Yeah.
Hajo de Reijger: So his name is actually Nemo because that's
also the name of the, of the
Daryl Cagle: That's another pen name, like Rivers.
Hajo de Reijger: No, but, I mean, that's also the name of the
character in, this movie, right?
Daryl Cagle: Oh, it is, it is.
Well, that's a coincidence, because the cartoonist's pen name is Nemo.
Cartoonists like these pen names.
They like to draw under one name, like Hajo.
The one name thing is it seems very European, you know, we, for us,
one name is you have a Beyonce or Flipper or Lassie, we don't, we don't,
we don't think of, one names that casually as you guys do in Europe.
There's so many one named cartoonists in Europe.
Ed Wexler: Well, you know, if you're known by one name, you're more famous.
You don't need the two names.
Hajo de Reijger: It's more easy as well.
I got a difficult last name.
So that's why I chose, just my first name.
But you're right, actually, yeah.
In Europe, there are more, uh, first names, I guess.
Daryl Cagle: Well, I wouldn't call them first names.
They're pen names.
Lots of them just come up with brand new names.
So, gentlemen, I think that's our last cartoon.
Uh, do you have any more comments?
Hajo de Reijger: No, well, I'm looking forward to the to the elections.
I mean, uh, lots more lots more cartoons will be made probably
Daryl Cagle: You guys have anything to say about Saint Just because we uh,
We are all veterans of Saint Just and it is The only, uh, real, political
cartoonists worldwide convention.
I think there is.
And it's, uh, it's a wonderful thing for our, our profession.
Nothing else like it.
Ed Wexler: I love it.
Milt Priggee: It's, it's the greatest experience any
cartoonist can ever experience.
It is, it is like, you know, it is amazing.
It's so wonderful.
It's super surrealistic.
You can't believe that's what's actually happening.
Ed Wexler: It's a whole beautiful town and they, they love cartoonists.
Hajo de Reijger: They really love cartooning.
Ed Wexler: They really love cartoons.
Wonderful people.
Daryl Cagle: We don't experience love in America.
Our email is all hate mail.
And, the idea that we would go someplace where people like us, that
just doesn't exist anywhere else.
Milt Priggee: Well, it was a wonderful, wonderful experience.
I, I wish that every political cartoonist kid could experience
what we all have at St.
Just.
It was a wonderful, wonderful time, a dream come true situation.
Hajo de Reijger: Yeah.
Ed Wexler: Really nice.
Milt Priggee: And the
people, the community made it even that much better.
They opened their houses and doors and put spreads of food and drink
on the tables and just sharing, sharing the, the political love.
Ed Wexler: Wonderful.
Wonderful experience.
Daryl Cagle: I will, thank you all for being here and.
We'll do this again.
And Milt, you don't have to be retired.
You're welcome back anytime.
Milt Priggee: I'm playing with that, all the time.
I always think about it.
because I watch the news and I, Oh, that'd be a great cartoon.
Daryl Cagle: It's very frustrating not to be an editorial cartoonist.
I, I can't imagine how most people in the world do it.
Milt Priggee: Yes.
Yes.
Daryl Cagle: Okay.
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And again, gentlemen, it was just, so lovely to have you here.
Hajo de Reijger: Thank you very
much.
Thank you for making this possible, Daryl.
Appreciate it very much.
See you guys later.