Daryl Cagle: Hi, I'm Daryl Cagle, and this is the Caglecast where
we're all about editorial cartoons.
Chris Wyant is one of the most popular cartoonists we syndicate.
He draws for the Boston Globe and the New Yorker.
He does children's books.
He was a Harvard Nieman Fellow, and he's won a bunch of awards.
Joe Heller was the editorial cartoonist for the Green Bay,
Wisconsin Press Gazette for 28 years.
He does children's books and most impressive to me, Joe's editorial cartoons
are self syndicated to hundreds of newspapers all by himself, a feat that no
other cartoonist that I know has achieved.
Ed Wexler is a Emmy nominated creative director at Disney for 30 years.
He was a regular cartoonist for U.
S.
News World Report, and he drew the star studded caricature covers
for the Hollywood Reporter's Emmy and Academy Awards.
Academy Awards issues for many years.
And Monty
Wolverton draws wonderful, quirky, liberal
cartoons that we syndicate everywhere.
Monty is doing a crowdfunding campaign now at Cagle.com/Wolverton.
So please take a look.
It's tough to make a living in editorial cartoons these days
as newspapers are fading away.
So.
The support of fans can make all the difference in keeping artists like Monty
drawing and you can make a difference.
Please visit Cagle.com/Wolverton.
So welcome, gentlemen.
great to have you all here.
Thanks.
Chris Weyant: Thank you.
Daryl Cagle: Good to be here.
We're going to flip through a bunch of cartoons and chime
in with all your thoughts.
this one is from Chris.
You got the
elephant sitting in the
big Venus fly trap of extremism.
It's been watered by
Trump and uh, elephant says
What's the big deal?
I have it right here where I want it.
That's an excellent cartoon.
Monte Wolverton: I like it.
I like the, I like the pendant figure of Trump.
I guess we would call that in art history or something.
Little tiny Trump.
Chris Weyant: Tiny Trump, the way we like him.
Yeah.
Ed Wexler: Little tiny head.
Daryl Cagle: Good scary cartoon.
Here's another Chris Weyant cartoon, two panels, first panel, what Republican
leaders consider to be a threat to our schools, the CRT and, LGTBQ
Chris Weyant: and gender tourism
Daryl Cagle: what they don't consider to be a threat is, gun violence
and mass killings in schools.
And that's just a good, contrast.
Monte Wolverton: We can't have enough of that message.
I think.
Chris Weyant: Yeah, I agree.
Monte Wolverton: I need to keep saying that over and over and over again.
Daryl Cagle: Well, what's frustrating is that cartoons like this that
we think are most important are often the least reprinted.
Monte Wolverton: Oh, they're dangerous.
Dangerous.
Chris Weyant: They do well online.
This one did pretty well.
It did.
Daryl Cagle: Boy, you know, online is so entirely different than newspaper editors.
Ed Wexler: I find that too.
Yeah.
Joe Heller: Yeah.
Exactly.
They will hopefully catch up at one point because the online will
become the newspaper editors.
I think we have a generation shift.
That'll eventually come.
Whether there'll be a newspaper or not, I don't know, but
Daryl Cagle: yeah, yeah We still have newspapers I should add that
You know, this is an audio as well as a video podcast and so I read and
describe the cartoons for those people who do not get to see the images,
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of the cartoons as we discuss them.
And here we have Chris Wyant with, a woke, black guy listening to
a racist, transphobic, sexist, homophobic, Islamophobic, bigoted,
anti Semitic, MAGA guy who says, Why would you wear something so hateful?
Oh, it's those shirts that describe them.
Ed Wexler: Great cartoon.
Joe Heller: That is a great cartoon.
I like the simplicity of, of the woke.
This nice lowercase.
Yeah.
On a white shirt.
It's
Chris Weyant: a nice font, right?
It's funny, I like cartoons.
Feel like, yeah, I like the font.
Me too.
It's like,
oh, I don't usually write so well.
Oh man.
Ed Wexler: All, all the fonts on the shirt too are, it works great.
It's decorative and funny and.
That's the point.
Monte Wolverton: How well did it do as far as, uh, newspaper?
Chris Weyant: I don't know.
How did this do?
Daryl Cagle: I tend to give you the stats and look at the ones that perform well.
And then I often send emails to cartoonists to show them which
cartoons they did that nobody printed.
And all the ones in between, I don't
really look at.
So Okay.
So.
I don't know what to tell you, but, uh...
Chris Weyant: Yeah, I think I was, I think I was
a middle lister on, on, on this one.
Okay.
So, okay.
Not totally buried.
You know, anything, anything with a,
Daryl Cagle: MAGA hat where, where one side describes the other,
the editors tend to, shy away.
they like, they like funny little jokes that, don't express an opinion.
Joe Heller: Unfortunately true.
Daryl Cagle: And that is to our great frustration.
Chris Weyant: both are represented here.
Yeah.
at least visually.
Okay.
Here you
Daryl Cagle: got an elephant holding, abortion ban bills
in his hand and he says,
I absolutely support a woman's right to choose to not live in
Oklahoma, Texas, Arizona, Idaho, Florida, Wyoming, Kentucky.
Chris Weyant: That is an outdated list already.
I need to expand it.
. Very nice.
Daryl Cagle: Oh boy.
Yeah, it's half the states.
It's terrible.
this is an oldie of yours, but I just
thought it looks so nice and I liked your
texture and, there's such a wonderful tradition of broken down
old cars in editorial cartoons that, everybody loves to draw.
So you've got the mechanic in his garage, which is a big mess.
And he's made a big mess of Uncle Sam's democracy car and the elephant.
Mechanic says try it now when it has no motor in it, I I think this
is just a lovely looking cartoon.
Ed Wexler: It's a nice cartoon,
right?
Yeah,
Chris Weyant: it's fun to draw an engine block
Daryl Cagle: Okay gentlemen
Chris Weyant: now we're up to joe We're up to joe heller.
joe
Daryl Cagle: You've got
Chris Weyant: the, the Fox News Fox and the Dominion lawsuit,
but, uh, the Dominion lawsuit is, Shears and you cut off
Daryl Cagle: all his hair and underneath we see that he's
a rat I think that's funny.
Chris Weyant: Yeah.
Yeah.
That's great.
That's a great image.
Monte Wolverton: That's brilliant.
It's just, you had to think
Joe Heller: to come up with that.
I thought, you know, what, it's just one of those things that came to you,
so many of us draw the Fox News as a fox, you know, and I thought, you
know, they're going to get sheared, and from there, it just went on to
what, you know, once you get sheared, you look like a rat, you know, you're
not a real fox, and you're not...
Daryl Cagle: Another thing that I find frustrating about editors
is that they avoid cartoons that make comments on other media.
Have you noticed that?
Chris Weyant: Are you seeing
that change at all?
Because the media is reporting on itself a little bit differently
now.
Daryl Cagle: They love to report on themselves.
They're self focused.
But, uh, when it comes to criticizing...
Another outlet, they are shy from that.
Chris Weyant: Well this does it well..
Daryl Cagle: And this is a lovely, Republican bashing cartoon.
You've got, Michelangelo's statue of David holding an AK
47 covering his private parts.
just the way that Republicans would like to see David.
Joe Heller: Yeah.
Yeah.
Nothing objective.
Yes.
Daryl Cagle: Uh, Somehow I don't think that...
I was very...
Joe Heller: I was very generous with him, giving that, uh, higher
capacity, uh, cartridge there.
Covering up his, uh,
his
.... Daryl Cagle: Yes, it's a very flattering AK 47
Chris Weyant: it.
Yeah.
Well, well placed munitions.
All right, here you got a six panel cartoon,
Daryl Cagle: with The white guy talking to the black lady, who is a teacher.
And the white guy is holding a banned list and he says, Hey
teacher, we don't trust you with these books.
He's holding a history book and says, We
don't trust you with
history.
He holds approved pronouns and
says, We don't trust
you with grammar.
He's holding a rainbow and says, we don't trust you with rainbows.
He's holding a picture of statue of David
with an X on it.
He says, we don't trust you with art, but I do
trust you with this as he holds the gun.
excellent cartoon.
Chris Weyant: Yeah, that's great.
Yeah.
Nice turn.
Yeah,
Joe Heller: a little wordy for me, but,
Daryl Cagle: Okay, here's, you got the
Chris Weyant: judge
Daryl Cagle: with the abortion pill rulings.
And he says,
as a federal judge, I identify as your pharmacist.
Chris Weyant: Joe, Joe, the voices that you wrote it with very
Brooklyn, almost like Bed-Stuy.
Joe Heller: Yeah.
I think you should do
Chris Weyant: Texas.
Okay,
Daryl Cagle: and here's your Mickey Mouse Club cartoon, Joe, with, angry
but happy looking, uh, well, sinister looking Disney characters, say,
Disney sues Florida Governor DeSantis.
why the sinister look?
Joe Heller: like they're gonna go after.
Ed Wexler: Yeah,
they're gonna get back at him.
Joe Heller: They're gonna
Chris Weyant: crush him.
Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: They're just, confidently, angry eyeballs with big smiles.
Yeah.
Like,
Joe Heller: just wait for it kind of thing.
You're gonna get your comeuppance.
Yeah.
Monte Wolverton: It's a wrong fight.
Daryl Cagle: All right, Joe, so here you got a guy
putting in all kinds of yard signs that say, I still support
Trump and you got a couple walking by and fella says he's going to run out of
yard before Trump runs out of scandals.
You've got, uh, uh, people driving away in their car with the license plate.
This is first state to ban Tik TOK, help Montana.
And, uh, the kids in the back seat
say, mom, I'm so bored.
Yeah, me too.
I'm really bored.
There's nothing to do.
Excellent cartoon.
Joe Heller: I like your voices.
This cartoon must have done really well, right?
Is that a Montana voice?
I, you know, I got a few papers in Montana, some of
the bigger ones, and they...
We're wishy washy about that for some reason.
I don't know.
I don't know why, but it doesn't go through the summer.
This will be a popular
Monte Wolverton: wishy washy out of their wishy washiness manifest itself.
Joe Heller: Well, it's just like I got a couple that said, uh, this is
funny, but I'm not going to run it.
Uh, that kind of stuff.
And I think they're more, like you said, they're more braver online.
A couple of them said, I'm not going to print it, but I'm put it online.
You know, it's.
I don't know if you've got a spine, a bigger spine, with your
online entity or publication.
Chris Weyant: You know, maybe it was just that they anticipated it
Daryl Cagle: would generate a bunch of mail.
Rather than making people angry, just didn't want to deal with mail.
Chris Weyant: Mail's a good thing.
That means that people are reading Yeah, free monitoring,
Joe Heller: but I liked it
Daryl Cagle: Ed,
we're up to you.
You've got your crazy republican Matt Gates And he's with his little Underage,
uh sex partner, and he says she's 21.
And what's so funny about this is her face is pixelated out.
I think that's hilarious.
Chris Weyant: Yeah, that's a great touch.
It's really...
Monte Wolverton: It's just an excellent
. Joe Heller: It's a nice touch, yeah.
Monte Wolverton: Really is good.
Ed Wexler: Thank you.
She's got the little, uh, brightly colored lollipop, and the school
books, and pigtails, and she's 21.
Daryl Cagle: It's fascinating how, tolerant the
Republicans are of this stuff.
Ed Wexler: Uh, yeah.
I don't know.
Why do you think?
Why does he get away with this?
Monte Wolverton: Well, maybe she's not planning on having an abortion.
So it's okay.
Chris Weyant: Right.
Daryl Cagle: Anyway, that's a beautiful drawing.
You're a very funny caricature.
Chris Weyant: It's got a big square head.
Daryl Cagle: here you got, three MAGA elephant ladies
counting the votes in Arizona.
And the first one says,
Chris Weyant: we'll just keep recounting votes.
Daryl Cagle: And the third one
Chris Weyant: says, until it comes
Ed Wexler: out, right.
Chris Weyant: that's a very true cartoon.
All you have to do is draw truth.
Ed Wexler: Yeah, I, I, I liked, for a while there, I liked, uh, depicting,
MAGA ladies as, uh, blonde elephants.
Chris Weyant: You get the haircuts really right.
Daryl Cagle: Oh, and I thought this was very funny.
You've got, uh, DeSantis Tinkerbell flying over the rainbow singing,
uh, Bibbidi Bobbidi LGTBQ.
Joe Heller: Great caricature.
Ed Wexler: I'm still struggling trying to get a handle on uh, on drawing DeSantis.
Daryl Cagle: Oh, wonderful DeSantis.
I think you've got the handle.
Ed Wexler: He's got like a bulby nose, but he doesn't have a big nose, you know?
Daryl Cagle: The DeSantis logo is funny.
Drawn like Disney.
a hilarious cartoon.
Ed Wexler: Thanks, guys.
Daryl Cagle: And here you've got the, elephant, painting himself into the...
corner painting out his law and order, but, wanting to defund the
FBI in his black defund the FBI paint.
He says, we're the law and
order party, except when it comes to Trump.
Ed Wexler: You know, that actually could have been Trump and not an elephant.
But I thought it, I thought the cartoon would be printed in more
publications if it was an elephant.
Monte Wolverton: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: It's true.
You draw Trump and it just doesn't get printed.
And
Ed Wexler: this is all about deflecting, away from Trump and his crimes.
Chris Weyant: Right.
Ed Wexler: All of his stuff.
Daryl Cagle: Lovely cartoon.
And here you have the Republican, couple sitting on the couch and, the
wife and their ashtrays are full and smoking and they're both smoking.
The wife, has her curlers and she's funny as can be.
And she says,
So he's a staunch anti abortion candidate who's paid for his
girlfriend's abortions and denies four of his kids.
And the husband says, Nobody's perfect.
Ed Wexler: That, that was, during the time of, uh, Herschel Walker.
And, you know, the Republicans blind, defense.
Of everything about him with, all the abortions that he's paid for and all
the hypocrisy, all the Hershel Walker
Chris Weyant: hypocrisy.
That's
their, ongoing theme of
Daryl Cagle: not caring about
Chris Weyant: any moral turpitude.
Daryl Cagle: Oh, and here's another beautiful DeSantis cartoon.
you have Mickey's arm.
All you need is Mickey's arm.
And, he's, swishing around the dictator detector and it's beep, beep, beeping
off of him like a metal detector.
Ed Wexler: I try to, capture DeSantis', Athletic physique.
Chris Weyant: His five o'clock shadow
Daryl Cagle: and his upper lip, I think, are just very funny.
Chris Weyant: Yeah, he's completely sculptural as a human being.
Ed Wexler: He's sculptural.
Daryl Cagle: Ed, this is a lovely cartoon.
You've got Trump with his tiny hands in handcuffs.
This is the day that he was, brought in for his arraignment.
lovely, simple, very cute cartoon.
Monte Wolverton: That's great.
It's one of those you look at and you think, why didn't I think of that?
It's so, but nobody else has done that.
Ed Wexler: Nice when that happens every, every now and again.
Daryl Cagle: Well, lovely cartoon, Ed.
Ed Wexler: Well, thank you.
Daryl Cagle: Ed, this is a lovely cartoon.
You've got the three conservative justices, carrying the, the
coffin of ethics with Ginny Thomas on the top wearing her
QAnon crazy hat with a big smile.
Wonderful caricatures.
Chris Weyant: Yeah, the
Ginny Thomas is perfect.
Monte Wolverton: Perfect Ginny, yeah.
Chris Weyant: It's so
Monte Wolverton: funny.
I
Ed Wexler: must say I enjoyed drawing that Ginny Thomas.
Clearly.
Monte Wolverton: Yeah.
Chris Weyant: He comes through.
Daryl Cagle: You know, we did a podcast, uh, with the theme of Clarence Thomas.
That was our most popular one so far.
Chris Weyant: That's quite good.
And Chris, you popped up here where I didn't expect
Daryl Cagle: you to be.
Chris Weyant: So we got, the Democrat donkey and the Republican elephant,
Daryl Cagle: they're each holding signs and the donkey has a sign
that says, are you better off today than you were 40 years ago?
And the Republican has, are you better off today than you were four years ago?
that makes a good point for, one of our recent elections,
I don't recall which are 2012.
12.
Ha, ha, ha.
I'll edit this one
Chris Weyant: out if you want.
But I think it's great!
Excellent cartoon.
Still good 11 years later.
It's a funny drawing.
It's great.
Daryl Cagle: Here's another one that I thought I took out.
Um,
Chris Weyant: The elephant and the donkey each chained
Daryl Cagle: together with entitlements when their axe is about to whack either
the chain or their own hands off.
Each saying, you first.
That's an excellent graphic.
I like this one.
That one's probably 12 years old, too.
Chris Weyant: Yeah, I think you're old.
Daryl Cagle: I put in a few of mine.
Um, We've got, uh, Donkey and the Elephant chasing after money, and, uh, You know,
the pig represents business and greed, and he's sitting in a rickshaw getting
pulled by the Donkey and the Elephant.
Here's, uh, Trump and his spineless Republicans as he pulls out their spine.
Uh, here's, uh, GOP
Chris Weyant: Guernica.
Don't, don't go so fast.
Yeah, go ahead.
Daryl Cagle: I'm just going through my own faster.
They, uh, you know, I've seen a whole lot of cartoonists do a whole lot of
Guernica cartoons, and they're always good and they're always popular,
and editors just seem to love art masterpiece metaphors in cartoons.
Chris Weyant: Did you draw this to scale like the Real Guernica?
Daryl Cagle: Oh yeah, it fills my house.
Uh, here's
a Republican inviting the folks into the house to vote where
they just fall off a cliff.
Ed Wexler: That's a very good one.
Daryl Cagle: It's a strategy.
Monte Wolverton: Oh, you did, you did it vertical.
Vertical format, which is unusual.
Chris Weyant: vertical format gets
Daryl Cagle: printed less, but sometimes you want to do
Chris Weyant: it anyway.
Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Okay, here's a math cartoon.
Elementary school math.
The gun plus the Republicans in love with the NRA equals all the
dead people in the graveyard.
Another cartoon I'm sure didn't get pretty much.
Ed Wexler: That's a nice
caricature.
Chris Weyant: It is.
Daryl Cagle: And here's the Republican elephant all tied up in a knot.
Which seems to be their natural position.
Okay, we're up to you,
Monty.
Monte Wolverton: Well, there it is.
This, this goes back a ways, doesn't it?
Daryl Cagle: Uh, yeah.
So we got a couple, Elephants talk to each other, stacks of paper, and
one of them says, I love the smell of election audits in the morning.
They do love, they do love to audit when they don't win.
defunding public education, Elephants says to the others.
And when our plan is complete, only the wealthy will be able to afford education.
Finally, the
riffraff will be under our control.
Oh, the GOP, and science.
Science says
Chris Weyant: good news.
We're adding years to your lifespan.
Daryl Cagle: And the GOP says good news.
We're saving money
Chris Weyant: by cutting Medicare and social security,
Daryl Cagle: thereby taking years from your lifespan.
Monte Wolverton: For some reason, my GOP guy, who looks like a generalized
GOP guy in Congress or something, turned out looking like, Data.
Joe Heller: A little.
There is a little data in there.
A little Brent Spiner.
Monte Wolverton: Yeah, Brent Spiner, yeah.
I don't know why, I just noticed that afterwards.
It would be much kinder, I think.
Chris Weyant: I noticed
Daryl Cagle: also you Republicans tend to have weak chins.
Monte Wolverton: Yeah, they do.
Well, like DeSantis, look at DeSantis.
Okay.
Or at least Wexler's DeSantis.
Ed Wexler: He's got much, he's not got much chin.
Alright, so here your Republican says, And we won't stop until every
American man, woman, and child is equipped with their very own
Daryl Cagle: AR 15.
White, straight Republicans, that is.
Monte Wolverton: Yeah, you can't trust the other people.
Can't trust the other people with AR 15s.
We'll give them squirt guns.
Chris Weyant: Here's
Daryl Cagle: your DeSantis, Monty.
Uh, dressed like he's, a king knight from the Middle Ages.
And he says, At
last, my reversion of Florida to the Dark Ages is
complete.
And now for the rest of the country.
And behind him they're saying, Bring out your dead.
Chris Weyant: Yeah, a
Monte Wolverton: little, Monty Python reference there, if you recall.
Daryl Cagle: And here you've got the elephant in the nest with, Elon Musk.
I guess they're in bed together.
Twits of a feather.
Elon says, make yourself at home.
The twitter nests.
Monte Wolverton: This is, actually the week after he screwed up the, the
big release of the DeSantis campaign, and yet he is, he's GOP friendly.
it's increasingly becoming the haunt of
Chris Weyant: GOP.
Yeah,
Joe Heller: you captured his, like, his creepiness.
Ed Wexler: can totally tell it's him.
Monte Wolverton: He's creepy.
Well, and there's the, there's the trademark there, and he hasn't said
anything about it to me so far.
Ed Wexler: You wonder if they see him, you know,
Chris Weyant: does the elephant have a
belly button?
Daryl Cagle: He has quite an interesting belly button.
It's
Monte Wolverton: either a belly button or a, or a spider.
Chris Weyant: I like it.
Daryl Cagle: Okay, gentlemen, we've gotten through our, 35 cartoons and
they were an excellent 35 cartoons.
So you guys have any more comments on Crazy Republicans?
Chris Weyant: What's to say?
They're crazy.
Joe Heller: It's like shooting fish in a barrel once in a while.
Daryl Cagle: I guess it is.
Monte Wolverton: Well, my next one will have bloods and guns in it, so...
It probably won't see much publication, but maybe it will.
Chris Weyant: I don't know about you guys.
I'm more than happy
to draw about independents and democrats if they
just, you know,
if the GOP would stop hogging the attention
with
insanity.
If they just did something else, maybe govern, then I'll be bored.
Monte Wolverton: It's such an easy target, as it were.
Joe Heller: Uh, this is, we gotta start watching the right news channels.
That way, uh, you know, we can start drawing those fake cartoons.
Chris Weyant: Right.
Daryl Cagle: But...
You make an excellent point.
So, everybody, thank you for,
Chris Weyant: uh, joining us.
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Chris Weyant: Thanks for having us.
Ed Wexler: No, thank you.
Thanks.
That was
Chris Weyant: great.
Thank you.
Nice to see you guys.
You too.
Alright, I'll see you next time.