Daryl Cagle: Hey everybody, I'm Daryl Cagle, and this is the CagleCast, where
we're all about political cartoons.
Today we've got a great podcast about, the election and the debate, I'm
here with Rick McKee, Jeff Koterba, and Pat Bagley, three of the best
cartoonists that you'll ever see around.
Hello, gentlemen.
Hey,
Rick McKee: Daryl.
Good to be here.
Hey Pat.
Hey Jeff.
Daryl Cagle: Hey guys.
We're going to start off with Rick.
this is a hilarious cartoon.
You've got the dog pulling, down Trump's swim shorts, like the
Coppertone commercial and, the, the illegals are eating the dogs.
Hey, that's hilarious.
I appreciate it.
Jeff Koterba: I, I love, I love that you have the, it's the Coppertone thing.
You've got the tan lines and his backside is pale, and yet you have that
extra layer on the face of the orange.
So it was like, brilliant.
Rick McKee: And that was, uh, thank you.
Thank you.
And that was a sort of an internal debate I had was how do
I want to handle his tan line?
I, I thought about making his butt like orange too.
Like his face.
that really wasn't working.
And I think, Mad Magazine did that, so I thought I didn't want to, I
didn't want to steal that idea.
But, uh,
Daryl Cagle: So, Rick, you were the cartoonist for decades for
Augusta Chronicle in, Georgia.
You draw the comic strip Pluggers, and we've syndicated you for 20 years, and,
you're one of my favorites on the podcast.
Rick McKee: Ah, well, thank you very much.
I'm happy to be here.
Thanks for having me.
Daryl Cagle: here you have Trump on the news, the news guy says,
and we're hoping for a debate heavy on substance and the issues.
And Trump says they're eating the pets.
Rick McKee: Yeah, this was my immediate reaction.
This was, I drew this the night of the debate.
I was sitting here with my iPad sketching and I think like the other
two guys were probably all watching and waiting for some moment to happen,
you know, sort of makes or breaks the candidate or crystallizes the thing.
and I, you know, I knew he was going into this debate with this
Laura Loomer, Loomer character, and she was the one that started
the whole eating the dogs and cats.
Oh, and I thought I thought Surely, he's not gonna bring that up I was watching the
debate and he just went off like a lunatic
Daryl Cagle: Well, you know the cartoonists love dogs and cats.
I knew the minute that was mentioned that was all it was
gonna boil down to For the cartoon.
Rick McKee: Yep.
Yep.
That was all I was gonna boil down to and uh, you know, she really got
his goat, you know, she could You Add another animal into the mix.
She, um, talking about it.
Jeff Koterba: People do eat goats.
Daryl Cagle: Here she is with her word salad and, Trump with his,
uh, election fraud, nothing burger of Qanon Kool Aid, verbal baloney,
2020 sour grapes conspiracy.
That's rhetorical tripe and bananas rambling.
We hear about word salad because they don't have that many, Substantive things
to complain about, Kamala about, but, uh, you know, Trump is worse for word salad.
Rick McKee: Oh, absolutely.
Absolutely.
And he's also, not only is he fun to draw, he's fun to write for, because,
you know, we don't do impressions, you know, that you can hear, but we can
often write Trump and sort of capture.
his ridiculous, pattern of speaking.
And, and to me that, I think it's wordy for the reader, but I think
they have fun because when they read it, they hear him in their head, with
his just talking about, you know, electric batteries and dodging sharks
and Hannibal Lecter and all this crap.
Daryl Cagle: So here you've got dad, uh, rooting in the, the living room.
Like he's watching a football game with his big number one hand, and he says,
come on, fight, kill the other team.
And mom says, you know, not to bother your father when he's watching the election.
. yeah, that was very tough.
This would be, I knew this would be one of the most popular
ones when I, when I saw it.
Jeff Koterba: You sound like the mom from Bob's burgers.
Daryl Cagle: I do?
Rick McKee: I try to do a football cartoon every season because I
know the editors like that and I know the readers like that.
And, as I was thinking about my annual football cartoon, it just
occurred to me that that's what's sort of wrong with politics in
America today is we're all just.
Devoted not, you know present company excluded.
We're all just devoted to our teams, you know, it's come down to Uh, i'm going
to support this person Simply because they have an R behind their name or a D
behind their name and they don't they're not actually stopping to consider you
know, you know the larger picture and uh right now it seems to be predominantly
These trump people Have totally thrown out everything they ever supposedly
believed in to support this guy simply because he's got an arm behind his thing
So that was that was the thinking behind
Daryl Cagle: that pat we're moving on to you this is a nice one.
Pat Bagley: So Early on when he's trying to come up with something about
Kamala He talked about her laugh and how that's not very presidential.
And then she picks Walz, who is also kind of a nice, easygoing
kind of guy, likes to laugh.
he just thinks that's weird where he's a felon.
he's holding up the Bible upside down.
He's with, Vance.
And this is before they did the whole cat eating thing.
Daryl Cagle: Well, you know, there aren't that, many, things on their
list of Kamala attributes that they had to choose from to complain about.
Pat Bagley: True.
I mean, it's hard to call her, it's hard to call her a Marxist, but, uh.
Rick McKee: Right, yeah.
Pat Bagley: All we have to do is ask a Marxist.
Is she a Marxist?
They'll say no.
They'll laugh at you.
. Rick McKee: I love all your little details in this Pat.
He is got his Trump tennis shoes on.
He's got his, his arrest, thing around his neck, his
Oh, this Mountain Dew.
And yeah.
And his eye out.
Daryl Cagle: Pat Bagley has been the brilliant cartoonist for the Salt
Lake Tribune in Utah since 1979.
And Pat has won a ton of awards, including the Herb Block Prize, and he
is also a shining star in our profession.
Well, thank you
Rick McKee: pat.
Is that toilet paper hanging off the bottom of his shoe?
Daryl Cagle: Yes, it is
Just because that's a nice touch here they are excessive joy in the arena.
Yeah, and
Pat Bagley: this is after the uh, democratic convention
And uh, it was fun to watch.
It was actually very entertaining and Democrats went from being Down below zero.
I mean the enthusiasm was just cratered after the first debate Then
Kamala comes on, and they have their convention, and it was just joyous.
It was absolutely joyous, and Democrats went from bottom to top.
They're happy.
Daryl Cagle: And you're, you're kind of prescient with your cartoons,
because, you know, this was before the debate, and now all the talk on the
right is about blaming the ref, and
Rick McKee: Oh, that's true.
That's true.
Blame it on the ref.
Jeff Koterba: You're Tim Walz, by the way, Pat.
It's wonderful.
It's one of the best ones out there.
Rick McKee: Oh, thank you.
Yeah, I agree.
Daryl Cagle: So here's your Traffic Light cartoon with Trump
and Kamala Go and Trump Stop.
Rick McKee: That's
very simple.
Pat Bagley: Yeah, I like doing these cartoons without words that you
immediately look at it and get it and you,
Daryl Cagle: enjoy
Pat Bagley: it.
Rick McKee: That would go well in France.
Daryl Cagle: This was a little bit jarring to me because, you know, the
red light's supposed to be on the top.
Okay, okay,
Pat Bagley: I actually got stopped for that.
And they pulled out my artistic license.
And they let me go.
Daryl Cagle: Here you've got Trump, uh, he's hugging his gun, you okay, baby,
he says, when I was president, I totally protected the guns, a quote from Trump.
Rick McKee: that's a great one.
It is.
Pat Bagley: Yeah, but it's just, uh, sad.
It's just pathetic.
And then you have bands coming out and saying that it's just a fact of life.
That's just a How how did we get here?
How did we get used to this?
Rick McKee: Yeah, and as a, I don't know about you guys, but
as a cartoonist, I mean, these, shootings What more can you say?
You know, and uh, how can you say something?
How can you say something new and different that hasn't
already been said so I think you really you really did that here.
Pat Bagley: Oh, thank you.
Daryl Cagle: So Jeff we are moving on to you Jeff Koterba has drawn for
over 30 years for the top newspaper in Nebraska that we don't name His
cartoons have flown around the world on the Space Shuttle Discovery.
He's consistently among our most popular cartoonists, and he hosts a classical
music show on radio station KVNO in Omaha.
Jeff Koterba: Available streaming and on your, on your app as well, worldwide.
Thanks.
Daryl Cagle: Okay.
I'm gonna, I'm gonna check that out.
So here you took, you took advantage of our dog and cat debate opportunity.
The dog says, what a weird, weird campaign.
And the cat says, that doesn't even begin to describe it.
Rick McKee: You know what I find so crazy is that this is the word
that, I mean, you, you know, you can, people have called Trump, you know,
racist, sexist, fascist, and all that.
And, and weird is the word that sets them off.
Yeah.
Pat Bagley: Yeah.
Oh, crowd sizes.
Rick McKee: That's true.
That's true.
Daryl Cagle: So here you've got J.
D.
Vance's book, That's kind of like, made for Fred Flintstone out of stones.
Cave Dweller Elegy, a memoir of misogyny and sexism from J.
D.
Vance, the caveman.
Rick McKee: That's great.
That's a great illustration, Jeff.
I like that.
Pat Bagley: Oh, yeah.
Jeff Koterba: Thanks.
Thanks.
It's fun to do.
And those challenges, you know, you have as an artist and think, okay,
well, yeah, do I go back to like a Flintstone mentality with a tablet?
How thick with this stone book?
You start, you have to sort of disengage from the logic of it.
And, you know, of course, you're not going to punch holes into, you know, Like a cave
book, because it would crack and crumble.
So you just have to suspend your disbelief or whatever.
And then I realized, well, maybe it's better that, well, if they're
thick pages, I can't have a lot of pages, but Oh, wait, there wouldn't be
that many pages, three pages, maybe.
So
Daryl Cagle: I suspended my disbelief to think this binding is unrealistic.
Pat Bagley: As a, as a.
As a retired Mormon, I looked at this and I thought the golden
plates made perfect sense to me.
Daryl Cagle: There you go.
so the campaign strategy room you have The Republican elephants and he'll never
go for it as the bandage on trump's mouth you know, I've taken kind a little, uh,
vacation from the podcasting and I missed the whole assassination cartoons, which
they, I didn't think this is cute, but most of the assassination cartoons, I
didn't think were much fun, whereas after the debate, we've got all these dogs
and cats and that's a whole lot of fun.
Rick McKee: Well, assassination attempts don't usually lend themselves
to fun, but um, this is a great take.
And I assume you probably didn't do this in the immediate aftermath.
It's probably around the convention when, you know, we
can laugh about it a little more.
Jeff Koterba: Right.
Yep.
Give it a little distance.
Yeah, I
Rick McKee: mean, you know, as much as you might want to draw something,
people were very sensitive and, uh, we're not Charlie Hebdo yet.
And
Jeff Koterba: This was inspired more by people wearing the bandage
on their ears at the convention.
So then it was like, okay, That I felt like that sort of gave you,
you know, permission to kind of jump into that, you know, well,
Daryl Cagle: you know, we just looked at, at Pat's great, school shooting cartoon
and very often, sad and tragic events lead to a bunch of great editorial cartoons.
But in the case of this, assassination attempt, I think they did not
lead to a bunch of great cartoons.
And, perhaps that's because, he recovered immediately and
didn't have, uh, an attitude,
Rick McKee: a trace of an injury.
Pat Bagley: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Okay, here's one of mine.
This is actually my first cartoon that I ever colored in Procreate
I really struggled with this.
but this was, this was just, you know, joy and gloom.
here's one I drew, this week on the dogs and cats.
The old couple watching the TV man says Trump won the debate.
The wife says.
Kamala with the debate, and the doggy says, Migrants are eating pets!
And I think this seems to be what editors wanted that day.
Pat Bagley: Oh really?
Rick McKee: It's great.
Yeah.
Pat Bagley: Did it do well?
Daryl Cagle: It's been number two this week.
Rick McKee: Oh, wow.
Very good.
Daryl Cagle: So I threw this one in by, uh, Rivers, because, you know,
if you switch the TV to Fox, and see what they're saying about this debate
that Trump obviously lost, you know, when there's news like that, it's
hard to fit into your world view.
the natural thing, I think, on the right is to build a conspiracy around
it and find whatever, odd facts can just, be thrown into, uh, I'm just
asking about this, you know, I do.
So, uh, here you got the Republican elephant.
He says, So it turns out ABC moderator Lindsay Davis is reportedly
Kamala Harris's sorority sister.
Also, it seems Kamala is Best friends with Dana Waldman, an
executive at Disney who owns ABC.
And now at ABC whistleblower has reportedly come forward with allegations
that the debate questions were given in advance to Harris, along
with instructions to the moderators to ruthlessly fact check Trump.
Oh, and there's a former advisor to Clinton, Mark Penn, who wants an internal
investigation at ABC news, alleging the debate was rigged for Harris.
This coffee isn't the only delicious thing I've been enjoying.
all brought to you by a monkey that I pulled out of my butt.
You know, that is just absolutely the conversation you hear
every time you switch to Fox.
there's nothing to anything.
It's just, that, here's some stuff I could throw together in a few sentences.
And let's talk about conspiracy because it's so impossible that Trump
could have lost this debate to that.
Kamala,
Rick McKee: it's just pure men.
It's just pure mental illness.
I've also seen it rationalized.
in another cartoon where they were saying, well, you know, Haitians
are poor and they eat animals.
So therefore, these Haitians could very well be eating animals.
And, uh, okay, show me, prove it.
You know,
Daryl Cagle: here, this one is by, R.
J.
Mattson and it is a Hindenburg cartoon.
And you know, We just, we just love the Hindenburg.
Cartoonists love the Hindenburg.
And,
Jeff Koterba: I still think it's too soon.
No.
Daryl Cagle: Well, of course, the point here is that his debate,
performance was just so horrible.
And, I think that's just
Pat Bagley: okay.
When I saw this for the first time, I didn't see the Trump balloon.
Rick McKee: I did see it.
That's
great.
Pat Bagley: That's great.
Rick McKee: That's a, that's a beautiful illustration.
I mean.
Jeff Koterba: Beautiful drawing of an explosion.
Rick McKee: R.
J.
Matson's got a great.
Jeff Koterba: He's great.
He's great.
Daryl Cagle: So here is Gary McCoy, another of our conservatives.
You've got the Secret Service guy with the, chest that's
chained up and he says, Mr.
Trump, you should never have accepted Vice President Harris's
debate conditions because, you know, oh, the debate was a, he's a,
he's a,
the debate was a, a game, and the rules were rigged against him
by the liberals at ABC and, uh,
Rick McKee: yeah.
And he's, he's a victim and.
You know, the smartest man on the planet got duped and accepted
conditions, you know, wow.
Okay.
Jeff Koterba: But I guess he'll do better with Putin and Kim Jong Un then.
Rick McKee: Exactly.
He won't be duped by them.
Daryl Cagle: This one was by Taylor Jones and it's a Wizard of Oz
cartoon with Trump as the Wicked Witch of the West who's melting.
Pat Bagley: Nice melt
there.
I
like that.
Rick McKee: Yeah.
Jeff Koterba: And, and that's a great, uh, drawing of her with
that look during, from the debate.
Debate, which was just delicious to, to see because I wanted
Biden to do that during the debate, but of course he didn't.
'cause he couldn't.
But that look she gave him was, that spoke volumes and he captured it in his drawing.
So,
Rick McKee: so she's tough to
draw too.
Pat Bagley: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: She is hard to draw
Pat Bagley: somebody new.
Well get somebody new.
We start out, and then we refine what she looks like, and I'm still
trying to figure out what it is about her face that, stands out.
Rick McKee: Yeah, he did it.
He definitely did it there.
Pat Bagley: Oh yeah, he caught it.
Daryl Cagle: Well, I noticed a whole bunch of cartoonists are just drawing
the biggest, smile that they can, taking up two thirds of her face.
And that works, but you're stuck with one expression if you do that.
Rick McKee: That's true.
Daryl Cagle: So this is Dave Whamond, and he's got the kid in
school, and the teacher says, Do you have your book report finished?
And the kid says, I have concepts of a plan.
This was, Trump's, uh, response about his not having a plan to replace Obamacare.
Rick McKee: And which is funny.
I saw a super cut yesterday on Tik TOK and it was starting back in like 2015 or 2016.
It was every instance where he said, they're going to repeal and replace it
and I have a plan and we're going to sign it maybe this Sunday, or we're going
to do it very soon, maybe next week.
And it was just video after video, after video.
And it finally culminated with that clip from the debate where he
says, I have concepts of a plan.
Pat Bagley: So, so, have you seen today's cartoon, my cartoon today?
It's just words, blank space that says, I have a concept of a cartoon.
Daryl Cagle: Well, this, this Dave Whamond cartoon was the number one cartoon of
the week and it is just, crazy popular.
which kind of surprises me, I'm getting emails from people saying,
what's the significance of the math problem on the, the blackboard?
We're debating that.
Jeff Koterba: The answer is 81.
8889, by the way.
Interesting.
I wondered that too.
Like I wondered because normally you draw a blackboard and you draw some
smudges and a bunch of figures kind of, kind of blurred in the background.
So I wonder that too.
'cause it, your eye is drawn to that.
So I didn't know if he was like a ask.
Maybe somebody who knows was born in 1981 and he was
. Rick McKee: Let me ask you old guys this, because this is something I've been.
Sort of not necessarily struggling with.
But every time I draw a classroom size,
Jeff Koterba: I know what you're going to say.
When do we start or white
Rick McKee: white board?
They don't, I mean, they're not doing blackboards anymore,
Jeff Koterba: right.
Rick McKee: Unless you're in the smallest, most rural school.
I think don't have these old style green blackboards anymore.
Jeff Koterba: Rick, when are we going to start, stop drawing Uncle Sam?
Rick McKee: Well, never, never.
Jeff Koterba: I mean, that's a strike.
I've tried to do that.
I've tried to draw, you know, aunt Sammy and other characters, but it just doesn't.
Rick McKee: A
whiteboard is no fun.
A blackboard, you know, you can reverse stuff out of it.
Daryl Cagle: Oh yeah.
Look at this composition of this.
If that was a white board, It wouldn't, wouldn't look good on it.
Rick McKee: I would ruin it.
Absolutely.
That's what they're doing.
Daryl Cagle: Here's another Dave Whamond.
Jeff Koterba: It's a green board.
Daryl Cagle: You've got Trump hiding and saying is Kamala gone.
Pat Bagley: For some reason, this reminded me of the Hitchcock, classic, The Birds.
Where,
Rick McKee: yeah,
Pat Bagley: he opens and all the birds come out.
Daryl Cagle: Oh, was it set up with this, uh, scene for the shot?
It was like this.
Yeah.
Maybe that's what he's do.
He's making an allegory.
Uh, well, I doubt it.
, but that's what came to my mind.
So here he is, got Trump splashing his ketchup against the wall as he does.
We know when he gets angry
Rick McKee: yeah, I saw this cartoon because I was posting that night and Dave
was already up and I was trying to decide if he drew this before the debate, or
during the debate, or, I think he had this ready to go, just, and his assumption was
correctly that this was going to be the way it went, and I think he called it.
It'd be interesting to know if he did that or maybe somehow
cranked it out afterwards.
probably not anything anybody else is interested in, but I thought it was
interesting that it was up cycled.
Daryl Cagle: You know, John Darkow has Trump saying, The debate was rigged.
They let me speak.
Rick McKee: Kentucky Fried cat.
That's great.
Daryl Cagle: Bob Englehart with Trump as the Tasmanian devil, Kamala
Harris debates the Tasmanian devil.
Rick McKee: that's an awesome take.
Very simple.
And uh, I don't even know that you needed those words.
In fact, I think maybe I would have left the words out and just done it like that.
Yeah.
That's good.
That's great.
Simple.
Daryl Cagle: Chris Weyant has, Trump spewing his nonsense and a couple
watching TV says too bad Trump's mic can't be muted after the debate too.
Pat Bagley: So I'm finding this really interesting looking
at the way that different cartoonists are, depicting Kamala,
Rick McKee: yeah,
Pat Bagley: and we're working on it.
We're still trying to figure it out.
Rick McKee: Yeah.
Yeah.
She's hard
Daryl Cagle: you wouldn't know that's her if it wasn't in context or, if she was
in a crowd, there'd be no picking her out.
Pat Bagley: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Here's Michael de Adder.
This is a David and Goliath cartoon.
Rick McKee: You know, I saw one just the other day and I can't remember who did it.
And it might've been Rivers that had Trump as David and Goliath.
And he was David going after, you know, Everybody else who was ganging up on him.
Uh, wow.
Daryl Cagle: That is the Republican mindset, isn't it?
They're the little underdogs fighting against the huge, mainstream.
Pat Bagley: Yeah.
I saw that cartoon.
Who, who did that?
Rick McKee: I can't remember.
I think it might've been Rivers.
or, well, nevermind.
Okay.
This one I didn't quite get.
Is he in, is he in a safe space?
Is that where?
Is that where he is?
Daryl Cagle: Here you have, uh, Trump in his safe deposit box.
I think I have the biggest crowd sizes.
Nobody leaves my rallies.
Pat Bagley: oh, oh, oh.
I figured this one.
It's you're looking inside the door.
Somebody's opening up the oh,
yeah And he's in the room beyond
Daryl Cagle: that's his padded cell That's where they pass
his meals through the door,
Rick McKee: okay Got it.
Daryl Cagle: Very good
Rick McKee: I didn't initially get,
Pat Bagley: I didn't either.
Daryl Cagle: Okay, here's Pat Byrnes Trump's getting a ticket.
He says, it's rigged.
He's making a lousy sandcastle, rigged.
Can't make his shot, rigged.
Gets an F on his paper, rigged.
This is just kind of a life story.
Pat Bagley: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Days in the life of Trump.
Randy Enos has, Trump Chicken Little.
and, uh, that's fun.
Rick McKee: That is great.
He's really, he's really sort of, embraced a more cartoony style.
I think it's working for him.
Daryl Cagle: He's in his own place.
Randy Enos has just shot up to where he's in the top 10 all the time.
Rick McKee: I know, and I think it's because he's moving.
Well, he's not away from that woodcut style that I think, you
know, and he's also doing them, you know, more horizontal and, I think
editors like that sort of stuff more.
Daryl Cagle: He's, uh,
Jeff Koterba: and has one of the more unusual signatures.
Rick McKee: Yes.
Daryl Cagle: Here's another Randy Enos.
Those Trump says I won the debate just like I won the last election.
Rick McKee: Yeah, that's great.
Daryl Cagle: Here's one from Peter Kuper.
Trump's debate prep, building a brick wall around him.
I'm not sure that's how I would view Trump's debate prep.
Rick McKee: I don't, yeah, I don't think he had any debate prep, honestly.
from everything I read, it was just talking to people, you know, Matt Gates,
Daryl Cagle: you know, he's got, he's got this small palette of things that
he says at his rallies and stuff and for any occasion, and he was just,
There with his same, pallet of stuff.
And there really isn't that much there for him to draw upon.
Jeff Koterba: But I think that was kind of the point.
That was kind of the point that he was making with this cartoon, small pallet.
I mean, just this, he's just immersed himself in this
very finite pallet of things,
Daryl Cagle: immigration,
crime, transgender, Hunter Biden,
Rick McKee: he's in a well, that makes sense
Daryl Cagle: in a well.
Rick McKee: Well, fort of some sort.
Daryl Cagle: Yeah.
This one's weirder and weirder.
Alice in Wonderland and the Trump Cheshire cat.
Rick McKee: That's a lovely drawing.
Daryl Cagle: the weird thing, uh, is just, uh, it's interesting
how that connects with people.
Here's Adam Zyglis.
Trump just, being completely taken apart by, uh, Kamala.
Pat Bagley: Oh, she screwed him.
See that?
Rick McKee: Oh, she's removed a screw.
Yeah, she's unscrewed him.
Pat Bagley: Unscrewed him.
. Rick McKee: Yeah.
She's unscrewed him
Jeff Koterba: un unhinged or something.
Rick McKee: Yes.
Daryl Cagle: Here's Dave Granlund with, a cartoon.
you could have drawn in advance.
Maybe he did.
Rick McKee: Yeah.
Could be.
And
Daryl Cagle: again, hook, line, and sinker.
This one is drawn after the debate.
That's good.
Rick McKee: That's fun.
Daryl Cagle: Um, yeah.
And, uh, fish, I love to draw fish in cartoons.
So here's some Rivers I threw in here because, we're not
getting much from the other side.
most of the cartoonists are on the left and, This says polls show undecided
voters thought Trump won, which.
Was not correct,
Pat Bagley: yeah.
Well, he could, he could have done this before the debate, no matter
what he was going to say this, right?
Daryl Cagle: And the Democrat donkey says, did you see the debate?
Did you see how convincing Kamala was?
Well, did you and undecided voters say, yes, she convinced me to vote for Trump.
Which is just, uh, that did not happen.
Rick McKee: It did not.
Daryl Cagle: Trump versus the entire establishment, the real David and Goliath.
Pat Bagley: So who's the artist?
Daryl Cagle: This is Rivers.
Rick McKee: I wonder if this was in response to the Adders cartoon,
because I know he does this.
Daryl Cagle: I think David and Goliath is kind of a theme on the right.
It's just the way they feel about the world.
Rick McKee: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: Here's the old couple and The old man is saying, Trump is such
an idiot, I have no good authority from the media, no one is eating pets.
And the wife says, wait, where is Fluffy and where is that smell coming from?
Because of course, you know, there must be some truth behind it.
Rick McKee: Yeah.
Daryl Cagle: So this is Arend van Dam.
And you know how we all like to draw, peeing cartoons
and they never get printed.
Here is an example.
Some of us just stopped drawing the peeing cartoons since we know
they're not going to be printed.
And some of the cartoonists just keep drawing them anyway.
Rick McKee: I'm not familiar with this cartoonist.
Is he European or something?
Daryl Cagle: He is from Holland.
Jeff Koterba: European, ah.
Rick McKee: European.
Yeah.
Oh,
Daryl Cagle: I got that.
Oh, wait, am I out of cartoons?
I think I am.
Rick McKee: Wow, is that all?
Daryl Cagle: You felt like this was a quick one?
Rick McKee: Yeah.
Jeff Koterba: We were going to talk about Saint Just, I thought.
Daryl Cagle: Oh, we should have talked about Saint Just.
I should say that all you guys have gone to this great political cartoons
convention in Saint Just, and it's fun, and this collection of cartoons
that we are doing today is, from a show that we're doing there on the U.
S.
election, so if you're hanging around rural France and you want
to go take a look at a great exhibition, this is, this is great.
This is, uh, great fun and, uh, you guys are all in this exhibition
and are all old Saint Just hands.
So, uh, we are, we is
Pat Bagley: every, is everybody
Daryl Cagle: here going?
I'm not going.
I'm going and Pat is going.
Jeff has been going for a lot of years in a row.
It is just.
missing this year.
It's a
Jeff Koterba: lovely time.
I wish I could Well, I'm starting full-time, uh, on the
classical radio show that week.
And, but Saint Just, the festival is the reason that I started learning French
because of all the local people that I wanted to communicate with, with.
And so it was actually five years ago I started learning French and I started
a French conversation group, inspired again by the people of this festival.
It is now the largest, the fastest growing and largest free weekly
French meetups in the United States.
Pat Bagley: Oh, cool.
Good for you.
Yeah.
Great.
We
Jeff Koterba: have over 500, 500 people.
Pat Bagley: Okay.
How old were you when you started learning French?
Jeff Koterba: Five years ago.
So 50, 57, 58.
Pat Bagley: Wow.
I mean, who learns a second language when you're 57, but.
Jeff Koterba: Well, I'll tell you, I will say I, I was taking a class
through Alliance Francaise early on and we had, I was beginning French class.
There was a woman who was 93 in the beginning French class.
She had a magnifying glass and a little flashlight so she
could read the text better.
And that was so inspirational to me.
And it reminded me that anybody who says, Oh, I always wished I could
learn a language or play the piano.
Well, okay.
So she was a big inspiration to me.
That was years ago.
So I don't know if she's still around or not
Pat Bagley: good on you.
Rick McKee: I've been there, I don't know, three times now.
And, uh, I've always had a great time.
It's always fun.
I think, you know, my biggest takeaway.
Being, an ugly American is, uh, just how normal and relatable and how
the French people are just like us.
and when I say just like us, I mean like small town America, just like us.
And, I think that's, really everybody you meet there,
Daryl Cagle: in France, these little towns will pick a theme and have some
kind of a festival on an arts theme.
Lots of them pick, jazz and, there are some comic cons and
history festivals and things.
Uh, and this little town picked editorial cartoons, which is kind of crazy.
There's nothing, no place else in the world that I can think of that
has would do something like that.
And here in America, editorial cartoonists are used to being
reviled all of our emails from people that hate us and are, are angry.
And to go to a place where,
Rick McKee: uh, like Jerry Lewis,
Daryl Cagle: love what we do.
That's just a crazy experience.
How, where else have you seen anything like that exist?
Rick McKee: Nowhere.
Nowhere.
You're right.
You're, you're like, you're like visiting celebrities.
And when it's time to leave.
They all line up on the road and wave to the bus.
You know, the whole town comes out.
on that Sunday and you're you're on the charter bus and everybody's waving and
you know Blowing kisses and it's just the
craziest thing
Daryl Cagle: It's it is crazy and you know They cook dinner for us
in a giant tent with everybody from town and all the teenagers from
town serving the food and they cheer and they're happy and it's a wild
experience every editorial cartoonist.
I think should experience this craziness
Rick McKee: Right.
You're there on a, you're there on a Friday night in the Fall
and you have all these teenagers cooking and serving for you.
And you know, in America they'd be, you know, at the high school football game.
And I guess there's no such thing over there.
And, uh, they're just, they put on a show and they feed
you this great endless steaks.
And, uh, it's just fantastic.
Well, anyway, so that's going to be happening.
Jeff Koterba: I just want to say one, uh, just like to say one more thing
on, on Saint Just, you know, one of the things that, that creates, it fosters
this sense of camaraderie and they're a cartoonist from across the political
spectrum that people that you may not agree with politically, but you respect
them, you respect their work, and we can all agree to disagree in a civil way.
Have a steak some wine or beer and everyone gets along and that's missing
in American politics That's civil discourse the agreeing to disagree
Sit down over a beer or coffee and and do so in a kind in a kind way
Daryl Cagle: I see a lot of the news about how France is torn between right
and left and, they certainly, protest and look mad on TV, but that's not
something I ever see when I go there.
They're just so, uh, lovely and nice.
Rick McKee: Never encountered that.
People from all over the world go there and, and, and, uh,
Everybody just has a good time.
it's great.
Daryl Cagle: So, this was the exhibition that you will see in Saint Just in
a couple of weeks last weekend of September, first weekend of October.
And it will continue there for a while and, it will be great fun.
And you've seen, four of the artists that will be in that show.
gentlemen, any last things to say?
Pat Bagley: Yeah, the first time I went to Saint Just, I met.
Three of the artists from, Charlie Hebdo, Cartoonists who were, uh, assassinated
and it was just a couple months later in January where the terrorists went into
the offices and killed these people.
And I thought, oh, this is serious business.
Rick McKee: Right.
I met some of them too and, you know, uh, hung out and chatted with them.
And you're right.
When that happens, you're like, man, that really makes it personal
and brings it home, that this sort of thing is going on in the world.
Daryl Cagle: Yes.
And, they were convention friends for us because we go year after year and,
you know, you, you kind of develop friendships at conventions like that.
And it does, it doesn't seem that Distant, like it's a once a year thing
as you get to see them over the years.
Rick McKee: And they become Facebook friends and you interact with them.
And, you know, it's, uh, real people.
Daryl Cagle: So this was something that really hit all the cartoonists hard.
The editorial cartooning community around the world is not that big a community.
And we tend to know each other.
So, um, on that sad note, gentlemen, I think this podcast was a great one.
Rick McKee: Fun.
I had fun doing it.
It's
good to see you guys too.
So yeah,
you guys have, you guys have fun in France.
Daryl Cagle: Okay.
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